Well, I, I have to echo what what Bruce has said. It's it's been a fantastic journey, and I've thoroughly enjoyed delivering these webinars. This is the last one of the series of 4.
And, I will go through, an introduction that I normally go through, which is about explaining about my passion, about business improvement, and the overarching objective of healthy leaders being to improve the bottom line. It's still very focused very much on making sure that your business is profitable. But it's how you do that.
If we get this right, you'll also see remarkable benefits and all the other metrics and measures which dictate whether you prosper or not in your particular competitive market. This is a personal, journey as well, and if you do this properly, then you'll feel less stressed and be more in control of your own life. I'll share an example of someone that has actually achieved improved balance later on in this webinar.
The good news is that this is, as always, something that should not cost you a lot in terms of financials. For many it's simply a process of reflecting on the series of webinars and following the recommended actions that will be sufficient. I'm always honest about this, it's not easy.
This programme relies on you challenging your existing habits, which is always tough, and doing things differently. There are no big upfront costs, as I say, but you do have to invest in other ways in terms of time and commitment. And if you need assistance, as I say, I'm always happy to actually speak or respond to any emails.
Ultimately I founded Healthy Leaders with the sole purpose of supporting and advising business owners and company managers with regards to 4 key pillars. And those four pillars are culture. Your approach to mental health, physical health, and nutrition.
But because in this busy world that we live in in the 21st century, we're so busy in our lives that few organisations have the foresight to fit these four pillars together. But when you do, the rewards are often, and I mean often, phenomenal. What I aim to do and what I've been, aiming for over the past 4 webinars, is to provide you with a window into the world of a healthy leader.
And as I said before, I do have an example of that later on, with the objective of you either feeling that you are a healthy leader or likely to change, or you will aspire to become a healthy leader by the time I finished speaking. And I've been pushing this over the past 4 webinars. In my thousands of conversations with business leaders from organisations big or small, public or private, I've never had anyone disagree with the logic behind healthy leaders.
It makes sense and it works. It always works. The challenge always comes from tackling the deeply ingrained habits that we all form within our lives.
One of those habits can tend to be the fixation on the view that business is about hard metrics. This belief drives behaviours which negatively impact on our personal well-being and our colleagues' wellbeing and ironically, business performance itself. So, the programme.
4 pieces to it. What have the deliverables been on this programme? That you will achieve everything, you won't achieve everything at once.
Over time and with a little patience, you will find the desired change taking place, so it's an iterative process. The beauty of the programme is that you can move at your own pace, and progressively make lasting change. It's my practise.
Ideally, this should be done as a team-based effort so that experiences can be changed and lessons shared, and it reinforces also what has been. Shared between your team. But please share the ideas we are exploring with your colleagues, but only when you feel comfortable with the proposition.
Having gone through this process many times, I can tell you that it is not only effective, but also highly stimulating and enjoyable, particularly when you start to see the changes taking place. Our first deliverable is a better performing company. Healthy leaders is not social engineering or a short-term back slapping attempt to merely improve morale.
The process will ultimately influence the financial performance of the business. And I have to say if that's not occurring, we're doing it wrong and need to go back to basics. And there's no harm in stepping back and starting the process again.
The second deliverable is a more manageable and less stressful environment around you. Remember it starts with you. You hear so much about issues of burnout and nervous exhaustion.
And so on within management and leadership roles. In our second module we explored this in detail, and, and we learned how so much of this negativity may be self-inflicted and how to overcome it. Third deliverable is personal, physical health and well-being.
Here I explored the principles around making is not just fit for work, but fit for life. Few businesses acknowledge the win-win opportunities here, the apparent absence of time or opportunity are just two of the barriers preventing people from leading a physical life. We investigated in the last webinar on how to incorporate a healthier lifestyle alongside managing effectively.
We also explored those long ingrained habits, which delivered the opposite and can damage both you and your business. This 4th and final module is about a sense of perspective leading to a balanced life. It includes a fundamental requirement for life, nutrition.
Running a successful small business can be at times excessively absorbing, resulting in people treating food merely as fuel rather than nutrition. This programme will encourage you to prioritise for long-term benefit. Well here we are.
Hopefully you have now a greater understanding of organisational culture. And an awareness of how stress can be better managed, even in the most difficult of circumstances. In this 4th and final module, I want to focus on the healthy reads approach to nutrition and recap on the key conclusions of the last 3 modules.
Naturally, I'm aware that there is a whole lucrative industry out there trying to get you to part with your hard earned money in pursuit of some utopian goal, be that gym membership, or a new diet, or perhaps a new machine for making smoothies. As I mentioned in the previous webinar, the golden rules. Be curious, check the source, one size does not fit all.
As I'm talking about nutrition, it's important that I also state that these are my views based on many years of research and personal application. I'm going to challenge conventional wisdom. I need to remind you that things change.
Say this because if the current conventional advice was correct, why are we as a nation experiencing unprecedented increases in obesity and non-communicable diseases such as type 2 diabetes mellituiss? It could be argued, anything that focuses on good nutrition and which gets people thinking about what they put into their bodies is a good thing. For example, Nigel.
Remember Nigel from the previous webinars. After a scary health review, took himself off to Austria for 3 weeks. Stay at a rigorous health clinic.
Here he fasted savagely under medical supervision and learned about his approach to eating and exercise. He returned 2 stone and several 1000 pounds lighter, but hopefully with a new determination to change his life. But Alha characters like Nigel, this hard enduring austerity suited his competitive edge.
The probability is high that within a few months, it would regain the weight. With a few extra pounds thrown in just for good measure. The vast majority of people suffer the same fate attending local diet clubs.
Whilst it may not be as costly as Nigel's approach to weight loss, it still hits hard emotionally when all the weight loss effort seems to evaporate outside of our control. As with each of the modules, we'll need to change our existing habits, shift current lifestyle choices which are damaging our health and well-being, and as a result, will have a negative impact on your business performance too. So I'm keen to advocate a low carbohydrate and high fat diet.
For detailed information on this, please read the work of either Doctor Zoey Harkha, Doctor Jason Fung, or Doctor Aseem Molotra. As I always say, one size does not fit all, so it's important that you consider what your nutritional needs may be, which is a start. So often the habit of eating is based around convenience and availability rather than nutritional need.
As an exercise, I always advocate keeping a food diary. This is a healthy way for you to see what is being consumed and should drive curiosity. When do I eat and why?
What triggers my eating? Is it hunger, convenience, pleasure, boredom, stress, depression? Eating is not a simple thing.
There are many perspectives to consider. As we're going through this webinar in January, you will no doubt be aware of all the TV programmes, books, tablets, diet plans that appear to assist you with your new year resolution. If that resolution is weight loss, of course, as I said earlier, one size does not fit all.
If these plans, clubs and diets worked, there would not be a consistent failure rate. As the head of one national diet company said, this is a perfect business model, because over 80% of the customers are back within the year. The objective is to find a sustainable approach to food that fits with your lifestyle rather than aim to lose weight, doing something you don't enjoy, you can't wait to stop.
So to start with, this will require a degree of discipline and commitment in order to shift the existing habits. Ah yes, that wonderful word will never leave us, habit. So how are we gonna develop a healthy leader?
At the end of the last webinar, I introduced you to Jonathan. Jonathan is a blend of Harry, Nigel, and Norma, actually a real person. Jonathan runs a successful business with over 40 staff and typically starts his day around 6 a.m.
Checking his mobile for emails and texts that relate to work. 10 years ago, just before he started his own business, Jonathan considered himself to be fit and healthy. Regular football after work and regular drinks too.
You weighed 12.5 stone back then, however, a growing business and some bad habits taken their toll. When I met Jonathan 5 months ago, he was 19 stone.
Significant increase and increasing in body weight every month. He felt that he'd tried every possible diet to no avail, and his gym membership was underutilised. As he attended once or twice a month.
Jonathan's eating habits were extremely carb rich, and his knowledge and understanding of nutrition and exercise was based on the ignorance is bliss Club, if you recall from the last webinar. Jonathan had never had a medical in his life. He's 42 years old.
But he was very aware of his family's medical history. Mother and father type 2 diabetic. Father also has high blood pressure and takes statins.
In fact, his father takes a cocktail of pills that often leave him low in energy and nauseous. Jonathan often hears his father say, there is nothing you can do about this, it runs in the family. To add to his day to day pressure, his wife is extremely worried about his weight.
And his work-related drinking habits, and keeps asking him to visit the doctor. Jonathan often goes out drinking with clients. Jonathan insists he's eating a healthy diet, as he always has porridge made with skim milk for breakfast.
He read somewhere that the porridge reduces cholesterol and skim milk is low in fat because fat makes you fat. Whenever he buys a sandwich, he always has lettuce in it. When he's not away, evening meals will always consist of roughly 50% carbs, starchy foods, and meat.
Wash down with an obligatory bottle of wine. But last but not least, Jonathan loves his fruit. Healthy, right?
As he does not have time to munch his way through 2 or 3 pieces of fruit each day, invested in a bullet blender and drinks a couple of bananas and apples per day. After a concerted effort, Jonathan increased his exercise from once every couple of weeks to twice, sometimes 3 times a week. After some initial weight loss that stalled, Jonathan became quickly dejected and was going to give up, quote, What's the point?
It runs in the family. I might as well accept my lot. During a particularly stressful period, and the stalled weight loss, Jonathan felt depressed and visited his local GP who gave him a prescription for antidepressants.
If you recall, I asked for some feedback on what Johnson could do to improve his lot. Jonathan was sceptical about my approach at the beginning. This is normal because part of the process is challenging existing habits.
Which is often the same as challenging personal beliefs. These are deeply embedded in the psyche and often require a leap of faith. Or in Jonathan's case, a sense of desperation, born of the fact that he felt he had tried everything and had lost hope of change.
Remember, he started taking antidepressants too. So step one, what are the existing habits and attitudes towards nutrition? To understand this In intimate detail, I asked Jonathan to maintain a food diary for 2 weeks.
This was also to include what he drank. Simple rule, capture everything, even if you ate one crisp offered by a colleague, write it down. What you ate or drank and when.
I've never done this without the person at the end of the two weeks saying something on the lines of, I had no idea. And I mean never. Every time we go through this process, the response is I had no idea that I consume so much.
The benefit to Jonathan Johnson became more aware of what he was eating and to some extent, why he was eating and drinking too much. As each week passed, he felt a degree of accountability as he gradually adjusted his dietary habits to meet the needs of his past lifestyle. The focus for Jonathan was eating a sustainable diet that provided energy and improved his personal performance.
Worth noting, the so-called energy drinks did not play a role in this process. So step 2 is to understand the culture around him, that being home, work, and social. His environment influenced his behaviour.
For example, his friends often said, go on, just one more. His wife felt that she was one of those that could eat anything without any adverse effect, and whilst concerned about his drinking habits, she was not keen on changing her eating habits. And work was high octane, fast-paced, with lots of travel.
Jonathan often relied on the abundance of food outlets to fuel his working day. So the benefit to Jonathan. Johnson became aware of the amount of carbohydrates he was consuming at home and when he travelled.
Have the least impact on the family routine, they, that being his wife and older children, agreed that he would cook his own meals. Interestingly, in the 5 months that we've worked together, the family has steadily adopted the new dietary regime, as Jonathan was unwavering in his focus. Allied to this, whilst he has not abandoned his friends, he has abandoned the peer pressure, he feels comfortable saying when he's had enough, or just drinking water.
So step 3, after much cajoling, was to go for a full medical. Get some markers. And these are some of the markers, pre-diabetic.
43% body fat, blood pressure issues, poor general mobility and flexibility. The benefit of knowing this, plain and simple, Jonathan has a target to aim for based on improving all of the markers I've mentioned, is no longer in the dark. Just let that slide be absorbed for a little moment.
I'm going to refer to the CRAP. But if you recall, comments I made in the last webinar on physical well-being. Live a physical life, the impact of many small physical things.
Are cumulative. The same goes for CRAP. This aptly named acronym reflects the eating habits of a lot of people.
Carbonated drinks are tasty, they are designed to be habit forming. Another way of describing them is addictive. Jonathan said he did not like water because it was tasteless.
So refined sugars, replace the much needed fat in foods to make it taste good, and also to make it addictive, I use that word twice. Many of us are aware that sugar is put into almost everything from sauce to meat pies. Although it is worth reminding you that all carbohydrates are converted into a sugar in the body called glycogen.
If you don't use this energy source, it will be stored as body fat. Artificial foods are problematic. The type of stuff that sits for months on the retailer shelf, then for even longer on yours.
As the next slide shows, we should be concerned. The longer the shelf life, the shorter yours. You don't need them, but if you have to have them, don't make them staple.
Don't forget the manufacturers of these products want you to be, use the word again, addicted. Processed foods produced on an industrial scale are broadly made for convenience, which from my perspective is very inconvenient. Because the manufacture changes the basic nature of the food product by adding stuff that our bodies over time do not respond well to, from chemicals to trans fats.
They all impact the way we feel. And to a certain degree, the way that we think. Jonathan consumed his fair share of CRAP.
Generally, he felt bloated, lacking in energy, so he drank more coffee, wait for it, consumed energy drinks, and felt mentally low too. Last but not least, what about his blender? Healthy stuff, remember, 2 apples, sorry, 2 bananas and an apple.
I remember the look on Jonathan's face when I suggested he should eat fruit in moderation, like, occasionally. And he said, what? Please take a minute to read the slide.
Sugar. Is sugar. If your body does not use it for energy, it will store it for later as fat.
I understand this is information overload, where Jonathan was concerned. I did not hit him with all of this at once. With each passing week, as he saw and felt the results, he was building his knowledge and understanding.
Golden rule be curious. So he built his knowledge to a level where he is confident in making food choices. It is worth noting that not everybody is seeking to lose weight.
In Jonathan's case, he has lost over 56 pounds and feels like a new man. In fact, as part of the process, I asked him to find a photograph of himself when he was in his mid-20s. As I said before, he's 42 now.
This helped him to see himself in a different light and provide a sense of focus. Jonathan has another 30 pounds to go and understands that it will be a matter of choice if he achieves it or not. However, his level of energy, and general feeling of well-being are consistently high and the prognosis looked very positive indeed.
What makes a healthy leader, as you can see from the slide, culture, the thing that wraps around everything, nutrition, physical evidence, so the physical health, I should say, and mental health. Jonathan started to form new habits based on his understanding of culture, the environment that he lived in. This environment impacted on his mental health, which had limited his desire to be physically active, all of which was blunted by poor understanding of nutrition and bad nutritional choices.
However, I would now classify Jonathan as a healthy leader. As he not only is benefiting from it and his new approach, but he's also sharing this approach with his family and work colleagues. As a result, his business is performing better.
His personal pressure has dropped due to his changes in attitude. As I've already mentioned, Jonathan is a real person. With a few tweaks, blending other characters into the mix.
Everything I've described, such as weight loss, energy levels, and general well-being is true. This final short case study has kindly stated that they are happy to share their journey. Is this a phrase that you would be familiar with?
Work, eat, sleep. And then a repeat. So this is a day in the life with Sonia.
Quote from Sonya. Despite good diary management, always expect the unexpected. So this is a day from Sonia.
Today's team consists of 2 vets, 2 nurses, 1 VCA, I believe that is an auxiliary assistant, 1 reception, and 1 office admin. We all arrive 10 minutes before our shift starts. Unfortunately, so do the clients.
We have 2 diaries, better appointments, nurse appointments. The nurse diary consists of admitting 6 animals to today's procedures which are handed over to the ward vet and nurse. All booked in with 10 to 20 minute appointment times, which technically run smoothly, keep the waiting area to a minimum.
Doors open at 8:30, by 100, we have two emergencies turn up without prior notice, a rat with breathing difficulties and a collapsed Rottweiler. The ward nurse and vet just anaesthetized a bitch for a routine spa, which cannot be left unattended. This leaves the onus on the consulting vet and nurse to deal with.
Meanwhile, the waiting room is pretty full. Both patients are admitted into ward, the rat for oxygen therapy, the dog for bloods, and intravenously fluid therapy, observation and further investigation. Receptionist pops her head around the door at 5:00 to inform the team she has a phone call.
The bitch that delivered one puppy last night, but nothing since and is panting and unproductively straining. Client is advised to bring to surgery straight away or potential caesarean section. Client confirms she lives just 5 minutes away.
This dog will require immediate attention. We do not pre-medicate any of our inpatients in anticipation of the caesarean. 10:50, reception rings, client read possible caesarean has still not arrived at practise.
They are just leaving their house. 11:10, client arrives with dog and puppy last night's delivery, announces to receptionist who is dealing with a payment that she needs to be attended to straight away as she's brought down the emergency. 12 o'clock.
Caesarean section taken to theatre where the whole team is on standby to resuscitate puppies, part of the job we all love and teamwork is at its best. 6 healthy puppies delivered. 12:55.
Mum Dog returned to ward and owners called to assist with getting puppies to suckle while post-operative information given. 1:15, routine cats be brought from kennels toward for pre-med injection, escapes from carrier, terrified and runs around ward area. VCA attempts to capture where she's promptly bitten by the cat.
VCA sent to casualty for treatment, cat caught and another drug selection drawn up. 1:30. First operation performed.
5 procedures to go, and not a cup of coffee drank. Lunch is looking distant. You cannot make this stuff up, but every word is true, Sonia says.
Staff cannot work at this pace for long before stress becomes a factor. The diary is booked out between 1 and 20 p.m.
For lunch breaks. Afternoon consults at 2. Consults begin at 1002.
1002, a rabbit with gut stas. This is also admitted for fluids and treatment, estimate given and consent form signed. 2:30.
Gut Stacey's rabbit owner calls to say, cannot afford treatment and would like to have a rabbit put to sleep. Euthanasia performed much to distress of the team. Consults and operating are back in full swing, but we have squeezed a coffee and a banana in.
There is a gap in the consult diary to enable the vet to grab a bite of lunch. 3:40, paperwork and writing up patients notes have taken a back burner whilst we eat. It's not the rest period we require.
50, the last operation is finished, the diary is now full with animals we need to discharge from today's procedures. The Rottweiler from this morning has not improved, refusing to eat and bloods indicate chronic renal failure. The owners feel at 11 years old they cannot put him through anymore.
The last appointment of the day is booked for his euthanasia. 6:45, the whole family arrives to say goodbye to their Rottweiler, a long-standing client and perfectly behaved dog. The catheter is in place for the procedure.
The vein blows whilst administering the final injection. We use the other leg, all ends smoothly. The client's distress can be heard in the waiting room and the adjoining console room.
The clients are given some last moments with him. 7:10, the clients leave, cleaning, cashing up and preparation for tomorrow begins. 7:45 team debrief.
Today we said goodbye to two pets much loved by their owners. We also brought six healthy puppies into the world. We know full well that chocolates are on the menu tomorrow, and we go home tired, with heads held high and a similar day potentially tomorrow.
7:55. The staff leave to go home. This is 100% a true day.
Would I do any other job? Yes, probably out of hours emergency care. Sonia now shares a brief moment, a healthy leader.
My name is Sonia, and I'm a veterinary nurse who took a plunge on opening my own independent veterinary practise. This means that I had to employ veterinary surgeons, give them clinical freedom, and entrust my business growth and reputation on them. As the only qualified nurse, I was responsible for the training of students, consults, monitoring, anaesthetics, anaesthetics, and patient care.
As a director, I was responsible for VAT returns, accounts, invoices, wages, rotas. As a manager, I was responsible for staff morale, early running of the practise, ordering stock and equipment. I have no work-life balance, my diet consisted of fast food, prepacked sandwiches, and snacks, chocolates, crisps, and cakes.
Exercise was non-existent other than chasing my tail around things at work. Stress was in bucketfuls, but I always seemed to cope with whatever the day threw at me with a smile, although I constantly worried about everything from cash flow, day to day issues that arose. I met Philip less than a year ago into my business launch, Healthy Leader Talk.
I told him I ate what I wanted, did not exercise without weight gain, and still successfully led a happy team. Philip offered to come into my practise and put some suggestions in place to improve how things ran, and to not worry about the little things. I had nothing to lose, so I arranged to meet him.
Implemented some ideas which alleviated some pressures almost immediately. 12 months on, I eat healthy, pre-prepared homemade food, visit the gym and have lost a stone in weight. I feel much better equipped to deal with practise life.
I actually have 2 days off as a work-life balance. I would never have believed being healthier. Would have such an effect both on a personal and professional level.
So Philip was right after all, and I will be forever grateful. Kind words indeed. What I'm going to do is just go through a brief summary of the last 2 or 3 webinars and then finish with the close.
It's worth reminding you of the the primary elements of the culture webinar. Motivation Is the key to extraordinary performance. Your culture is entirely based on the workforce perceptions of your conscious and unconscious behaviours.
You can optimise this culture with a few simple habits based on the four key elements noted earlier. Communication, recognition, behaviours and management style. Use these to build your platform for continuous improvement.
The concept is simple if you recall, easy to understand and easy to explain, but adopting it isn't. To be effective, it has to be built in. Has to become a habit, again, part of our autonomic system.
Culture is undeniably a 24/7 365 challenge. Make it be the way you do your job all the time, rewards are significant, but above all, enjoy. Remember, it's all about being a healthy leader.
Next slide is a reminder about the positivity, direct challenge to the cynical default setting of some people. Negativity will not go away without a fight. It is part of our culture.
You will remember from the last session how Edgar Sheen declared that leadership behaviour, conscious and unconscious, was the key driver in setting culture. Or to change it, the initiative has to come from you and the other key influences in your workplace. Start at good morning, think about how you might be perceived when you say those simple words.
You're seen as being hangdog, fatalistic and discouraging. How do you throw your shoulders back and say it with energy and joie de vivre? Your projected persona is all important to the ambience of your company.
If you wear the worries of the world on your shoulders, and that's the message you will convey. Smile. Focus on the bright side and even you will feel better after a few iterations.
Think about your language. I'm not referring to four letter words here. Somebody asks you how you're doing, do not say not bad.
As many do, conveying perhaps an unintended but lazy negativity. Try great or even fantastic, and watch the response. I was with a client this morning, and we're going through this process, and I asked him, what does he change as one of the middle managers.
What does he change? He said, I actually say good morning to people and smile. And I said to how do you feel about that?
He said, I feel amazing. I'm, I'm actually stunned by the way that people actually smile back. It does make a difference within an organisation.
Phrases like I'm tired could be replaced by I could do with more energy and so on. Have a bit of fun here, as well as by telling people about the cancer of negativity and encouraging them to pick up, pick you up, you say something unnecessarily negative, but in an insufficiently positive way. Challenge them to monitor your ability to influence positively.
It will make them think about how they speak and their language with clients and suppliers. Inclusion I introduced you to Jonathan in preparation for the final webinar in this series. Which will look at nutrition and balance as we go through that.
There's always this view with the physical activity that joining the gym is the right thing to do. As I said in the the last webinar, focus on physical activity, make it part of your life, live a physical life. It can improve your mood, as the slide says.
You may just feel happier. Increase your life expectancy. There's lots of research to back that up, reducing non-communicable diseases like type 2 diabetes.
It will improve your immune system. You will feel more energised and remember the acronym SED. Specific adaptation to impose demand, the more you do, the more you can do, and it will improve your mental health.
I love being a healthy leader. I received very kind words from Sonia. At a personal level, I gain an immeasurable amount of satisfaction when someone changes their habits for the better.
Life is fast, but that does not mean that you can't put the brakes on and stay in control. Not everybody wants to drive on the motorway at 70 miles an hour. That is why there are 3 lanes.
You can extend the analogy further by saying, let's not wait for an accident and force you to slow down. Over the past few months, I have shared the healthy leader's philosophy with all of you. So thank you for your interest and patience.
There is a lot to grapple with. As I confidently say it works, it always works. The only proviso is that you take it on board and apply.
Please don't assign this to the very interesting drawer. This can make a real difference to you, your colleagues, and ultimately your business. So as we come to the end of this journey, I would like to.
Think that it has opened the door to greater opportunities in terms of change. Culture, mental health, physical well-being, and nutrition all play a critical role in everybody's lives. Privately and at work, you cannot separate them.
By becoming more aware of them and taking an active interest in understanding how they influence our lives and how you, through the healthy leader's philosophy. And influence others, you will forge a successful and sustainable business where balance isn't an aspiration but a given. So please be a healthy leader and lead the way.
Thank you. Phillip, as always, that was really thought provoking and certainly something that I think we can all agree on is that you have beyond any doubt, open doors, doors for us to think about and to step through and make changes on a very solid platform. So thank you so much for your time once again.
That's very kind of you. Thank you very much. And it's also just to say once again, good luck to you for the, the world championships in a couple of weeks' time.
I'm sure with your dedication and passion, the gold medals that you have brought up to this point will hopefully be replicated and you need to let us know about your podium positions. I will do. I'll I'll share all all all my successes because I'm very positive about it.
With the team. Thank you very much. That's great.
Folks, that's all we have time for for tonight. It's been a great pleasure leading and the, the webinars with, with Philip Dyer and his fabulous insights into what we can and more importantly, what we should be doing to change the basics to achieve a greater outcome at the end of the day. So Philip, once again, thank you so much for your time on the webinar that.
Thank you very much and have a good evening. Thanks folks for joining us and to Peter in the background, my controller, thanks for making everything run smoothly. From my side, it's good night and goodbye.